Hi

Has anyone seen this before?

First issue is collidable walls that work fine when you walk straight into them but if you walk at an angle you pass straight through. It is not touching anything else and it is off the ground a fair distance. Sometimes it seems ok for a while but then will start doing it again. Have the same issue on a raised stage as well, you can walk on the stage no problem and not fall through and if you walk into the side of it straight on it stops you but if you walk into the side at an angle you can walk straight through.

Second issue is stairs/slope. I can set the stairs for me so they work fine, I can go up and down no issue but if a female (I am male) tries it they get stuck at times. Surely the slope should work the same if male or female? Have tried different angles and lengths but to no avail. Sometimes they get stuck at the bottom going up and sometimes at the top going down and sometimes it works. A friend has got one set to work more than not but the collidable lines are not together and the slope one is not inside the flat.

Both of these issues are in the same layout (although I have seen the male female slope issue elsewhere). This is an old layout that was stripped right back and rebuilt, I am wondering if there is an issue with some of the old building left around causing weaknesses or issues. I have seen comments in the forums with problems of collidable props that were deleted without having the collidables removed first.

Any tips, hints, fixes or comments welcome.

Cato

When I first hit the issues I changed all collidables to no more than 2x2 both for the walls and floors to ensure nothing was over stretched.

Why use medium when it has a lighter gravity, would it not be best to build stairs and ramps with making the worst possible scenario, then when people with low frame rates and have super jump on, and have higher fps than 15, the better conditions will not give any problems, if your going to build stairs with medium avi, then might as well go tiny with super jump on.

Try building a stairs using no super jump xl avi and set max 15 fps and high texture detail, see how easy it isn't but how smooth it is when normal conditions are applied, check some previous builds of stairs with those conditions see if you get stuck on them you may be surprised, at least then people with less capable pc's wont get stuck, you have to find the faults to fix them.

For example when building a club, when its loaded with avi's and the frame rate drops, you know if people can maintain a frame rate of 15 fps, with SJ on they wont have any issues getting stuck.

Your not needing to ask anyone to set fps to 30 if they have more then its great also having super jump on makes less chance of anyone getting stuck that has low FPS, setting a low fps , is purely to highlight any issues when building stairs,

Example when I set my FPS setting to MAX and pull 150 plus fps I never get stuck, if I built stairs with the easy option of mid size avi and super jump on with max fps, I would have no clue as to the function of stairs for others with less powerful pc's that don't achieve a higher frame rate.

The suggestions I made were purely based on when building, so others have less chance of getting stuck and falling through with lower capability computers.
and yes 15 fps is a real challenge when building stairs with SJ off and xl avi, the stutter picks up every possible defect in alignment possible , I have to resort in the upper flat collidable being scaled down to 0.6 on the mating edge, and the ramp less tan 1 in its length with platforms, to break up the expansion of higher scales of the red collidable lines from the solid portion.

Depending on the place, I do often just leave it as 30 fps, to finally check and hammer the arrow keys at top to judder the avi at all angles to see if any failures occur, it just making the best you can with the worst settings achievable, obviously I start with easier settings then tune in by reducing fps and take SJ off to get a more reliable transition.

As for collidable to prevent walking through I tend to use the fence the mesh one chain link style and invisible it, keeping it's red lines up from the floor, not always full proof but I have more success with that, also really good for confining camera views so not looking at the wall from an adjoining room with camera view pulled out, and ceilings and roofs as well to keep your view confined to the room you are in.

ok you have to use a few around doors and watch the red lines but its just a case of patching them and keeping them in front of any pictures etc on that wall.

Edit:- I have also tried using the fence rail at waist height with collide set to prevent walking into a stage and the like , it does depend on the template , I find the basic park vacant , is very well knows for falling through with collides when using the space outside. all trial and error, sometimes setting a slight angle to the collide sloping away can help reduce falling through, and can result with wall climbing lol all trial and error

Good day!

For the floors, have you tried using the Surface Water_02 prop as your collidable? Those seem to work well for me and you usually only need one or two depending on the size of your build. Less collidables should mean less chance of falling through.

For the walls, I have used the fish tank glass and just reduced the width to make it small to fit it into the wall areas. That can also be useful for preventing the cam view from seeing through the wall to the other side. I've seen tutorials on that somewhere in the forums but it was a while back.

Best,

Anhton

Thanks guys, have had several suggestions to use surface_water from various sources, will give it a go and let you know

Cato

So about the stairs everything has been said. Honeslty I think the surface water is best, its all about the math and sizing and being that the surface water its the largest and scaled at 1, you cant go wrong making it big or small.

Now your walls, when you're able to get through them its usually because two collidable are touching somewhere. Youre chair, the stairs somewhere its there collidables are not by the avatars feet its around your avatar head from what I recall. So you may have it off the floor but thats not the cause around the feet. If you need help Ill be happy to look or show you what I'm talking about. I'm not a good explaining, I just show people.

Guys

Thank you all for you input, all was very useful and some a bit confusing but that might be just me lol.

I have changed all 3 floors of the building to use surface_water and, although I have fallen through a couple of times when searching for issue spots, no one else has so I think I can count it as a success. As for the walk through collidables I swapped to the chain link fence that Paul describes above and it seems to have relieved most of the issue but still occasionally I can walk through. The issue with the females not being able to use the stairs was resolved by me changing my Max FPS to 30 when testing the stairs, once I could use them correctly everyone could.

Thanks all again and I may tap you up in the future for any further issues I get

Cato