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Oh, goodie, a bulletin post made it into the forums, I'd almost forgotten what these look like. Originally Posted by: Raya_FDR_SOG Whether it is RLC or many other virtual worlds likes this. We make friends, family, even enemies. We love our families, and we really do care about each other, even if we fight from time to time. Some don't understand, real people, I say REAL people’s feelings are at stake on any of these games. And right there is where I draw a line. My feelings, my capacity to be hurt by anyone here is directly affected by how close I am to that person. So if some random fuck nugget comes up and calls me everything he can think of other than a white boy, then have I been hurt, not in the least, because I know and understand that the world is populated by idiots and I don't give them power over me. Now if someone I've chatted with for several years up and poofed never to be seen or heard from again, yeah that's kinda shitty, but then in real life people will poof out of your life to, just one of those pains that has become a part of the human condition. Originally Posted by: Raya_FDR_SOG RLC never leaves my mind. I do hope that's hyperbole. I can go several days without giving so much as a thought to my account here, and when it does come up, it's usually "Oh, yeah I haven't seen <name> in ages, time to go hit them up and see whats shakin". Originally Posted by: Raya_FDR_SOG Many tears have been cried, many hearts broken on RLC, but who’s to say the friends and family we have made are not worth it? You love people on here, and care about them. For some, people on RLC understand them more than any person in real life ever could. Well, not to be pedantic, but you just spent a fair few words reminding everyone that people in RLC are real, so... saying that they understand things better than people in real life ever could is flat out wrong, because each person in RLC is a person IRL. Also if the closest friends you have in the world are only online, you may want to go out and make some IRL friends. Originally Posted by: Raya_FDR_SOG This isn't a video game. 100% true! This is not a video game, and I think the only people who've ever said that it was are the marketing division. Most of the people here would consider it a Virtual World, or animated chat program, or several other trademarked names. Originally Posted by: Raya_FDR_SOG There is no "Replay" button. You say an unkind word, and it will be remembered. "Game Over." doesn't exist either. Because even if you disable your account, I guarantee at least ONE person will never forget you. We role play Kingdoms and Covens or just living out our fantasies. Many come on RLC because in real life, they have no one to turn to or maybe because they feel unwanted or they are trying out their fantasies, but who are we to judge?? I for one reserve the right to judge anyone I come into contact with. As being able to observe the world around me, taking in new information and comparing it to previous information I claim the right to make whatever judgements I deem worthy. I don't like your dress, the style of language you use, I find your name to have too many "tags", your over reliance on emotional arguments, these are all things I can and will judge, same the exact same as your fantasies. If I land in a "club" and find that I'm flanked by two different "covens" of vamps, I'm going to sit the fuck down, get my popcorn and start taking screen shots because I've been around long enough to know that this shit is about to get real (really funny, with all the melodrama, and theatrics, and yes I do grade theatrics too). You're more than welcome to be who you want, and I'm perfectly happy to learn who most people are, but I only have so much time for others, so I've got to have some standards. Originally Posted by: Raya_FDR_SOG For some, having an RLC account is like having two lives. It’s a way to relax, let yourself go, and live the life you want to live. I'm tired of seeing the ones I care about hurt, and feeling hurt myself. Sounds like you either need tougher skin, if people are hurting your feelings, or you need to start judging others a hell of a lot more and stop friending people who are using you as an emotional tampon. Originally Posted by: Raya_FDR_SOG Aren't you? Nah, I don't really get hurt here, but when I do, I'm glad of it, the loss of people is a critical aspect of friendship, to not have sorrow to go hand in hand with joy is to not have joy. Now if you've found that you're getting hurt too often for your comfort, then maybe the problem isn't with the world, it's with you? Originally Posted by: Raya_FDR_SOG Repost this if you know that RLC isn't just a game, if you know the people on here are real, and do have feelings, and if you love at least one person on here that you couldn't live without. Lets see a check list, I like those. Know this isn't a game, check People are real, a bit of a tautology, but check People have feelings, check, also water is wet, and fire is hot. Love at least one person on here, check That I couldn't live without!?! Oh sweetie, you poor poor child. You can live without a lot of things, a whole hell of a lot of things. Lovers, parents, children, friends, they will come into your life, and they will leave, and yet you'll be here, well, at least you'll be here until you're the one to leave. It's a truly childish notion to feel that you couldn't live without someone, you may not want to live without them, but trust me, you could. Originally Posted by: Raya_FDR_SOG Plz promise to be more careful about what you say and do. I'll make no such promise, but thank you.
EDITED BY MODERATOR wrote:Finally, thank you ALL for all of your support. I mean that. *hands the torch to Kris* We never believed in the same endpoint, but I think our vision of the forums is similar enough.
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Last time I wanted to pause my VIP, I had to actually call CCBill.com, pretty easy, and normally when I call it's either someone who uses English as a primary language, or can at least pass.
EDITED BY MODERATOR wrote:Finally, thank you ALL for all of your support. I mean that. *hands the torch to Kris* We never believed in the same endpoint, but I think our vision of the forums is similar enough.
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Originally Posted by: Just__JJ Also, there's nothing wrong with people using ALL CAPS. I always imagine them actually shouting what they're saying, maniacally, and waving their arms or something. So, that's entertaining and good, too. I rate this as one of the better threads I've seen here lately! We shall have to talk.
EDITED BY MODERATOR wrote:Finally, thank you ALL for all of your support. I mean that. *hands the torch to Kris* We never believed in the same endpoint, but I think our vision of the forums is similar enough.
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A couple of quick notes: 1) I came here in '08 and remember dim rentals as being a thing, and loosely remember selling rays having to be a thing so that the few people who owned property could cash out, as well as the WG's and DJ's. 2) Human nature has always been a thing, as such greed has always been a thing. When a system exists, we hairless chimps will seek ways to game the system. 3) Just because there are bad actors shouldn't remove a function that has a net positive for system as a whole. You remove the ability for a creator to be rewarded from their work, they will likely not create the work. 4) Almost all VIPs are addicted to the closet function to buy skins and clothes, to buy layouts, offer cash for sex, and once those are all lost, the user base will dwindle. Okay, so lets take this and use another example of monetization to illustrate: Lets say I own a web platform that allows users to stream content. I offer the users to buy "Kris Coins" to tip creators that they like creating a revenue stream to keep the website open. If there is no way to pull the "Kris Coins" out of circulation then I'll never loose the money that was given to me, but then there would be nothing given as a tip to the creators on my platform.
EDITED BY MODERATOR wrote:Finally, thank you ALL for all of your support. I mean that. *hands the torch to Kris* We never believed in the same endpoint, but I think our vision of the forums is similar enough.
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Hey there OP, Totally happy to see people ranting about random emails they receive from prick members, always a good laugh, but I'm a little confused, did you know that one of the people you mentioned has never posted here in these forums, and that the other hasn't posted in like 5 months? If your post was to try to talk to these people and reach some understanding it sorta looks like you've come to the wrong place for that. I'm just trying to get what the ultimate goal of the thread is, is it to name and shame, is it to vent that there are assholes on the internet, or maybe just offer for everyone to look and laugh? Beyond that, who really gives a shit if they grow bananas on the beaches, and don't like kink dungeons in basements, they seem to have banana trees shoved up their asses, so they ain't really worth the time end energy to trouble yourself over. Overall thanks for the laughs keep 'em coming if you get more!
EDITED BY MODERATOR wrote:Finally, thank you ALL for all of your support. I mean that. *hands the torch to Kris* We never believed in the same endpoint, but I think our vision of the forums is similar enough.
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I still vote for a 2min max on time in transport, after that if you haven't moved you get dumped in to Passions, nude, with an auto accept for the next 5 min!
EDITED BY MODERATOR wrote:Finally, thank you ALL for all of your support. I mean that. *hands the torch to Kris* We never believed in the same endpoint, but I think our vision of the forums is similar enough.
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Original WC (yellow wall, wood paneled bar, large pool in the back) Or the beer garden in the back of VV, that you had to be good at jumping to find.
EDITED BY MODERATOR wrote:Finally, thank you ALL for all of your support. I mean that. *hands the torch to Kris* We never believed in the same endpoint, but I think our vision of the forums is similar enough.
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Originally Posted by: Morganna_ Either live in the Gorean lifestyle or do not live in it. Nobody is forcing you to be there. Having cars, or wearing a suit and tie or club skirt while going about your business in Gorean regions would run directly counter to the universe of Gor. So-called slaves who talk sass, call each other "sis," or give smack talk to the free are also unGorean. The world of Gor, as written by John Norman, is a very specific place, with clear understandings on how people dressed, behaved, and what they were able to equip themselves with by way of any possessions. If you choose to violate this by wearing jeans and a biker jacket or eating skittles, then you are not in Gor. You are simply visiting an alternate fantasy life that is visually similar to Gor.
Originally Posted by: tor_Wraith_BRnD And Morganna, there may well be skittles on Gor. Who knows what the Ships of Acquisition have brought recently? Mistress Artymcia recently brought me what she called a bean grinder so I no longer have to crush the black wine beans to make black wine! Who can imagine such amazing inventions! You should stop by the Home sometime and I will show you! Again, I'll point out that I give no fucks about how someone wishes to engage in their fantasy, even if the fantasy is skinning or eviscerating me. So long as it's held in fantasy and not reality, who give a flying fuck. Above I'll just point out that you are both claiming to be Gor, that you both hold what you believe to be true beliefs about the fantasy world you wish to inhabit, yet, and this is the sticking point I have with the OP, they are mutually exclusive to one another. By the primer as stated by Scotty, no you can't have a coffee grinder, because the damn thing wasn't put there by Johnny, you're living in your "alternate fantasy life that is visually similar to Gor". Am I a troll, well, who gives a shit, I'm the asshole that's pointing out that the rigid doctrine of Scotty would tend to exclude all who would ever wish to participate in your fantasy. Thanks tor, you've illustrated my point in a way I never would have imagined. You live your Gorean fantasy accepting that the world progresses, while Scotty in her primer says that if it wasn't good enough for Johnny it isn't good enough for you.
EDITED BY MODERATOR wrote:Finally, thank you ALL for all of your support. I mean that. *hands the torch to Kris* We never believed in the same endpoint, but I think our vision of the forums is similar enough.
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Originally Posted by: Morganna_ Regarding Kris: He/she is the usual anonymous troll who insults people in forums because he knows that anonymity protects him. If we met each other in person, he's be a mumbling, embarrassed stooge.
No if we were to meet on the street, and you were to embarrass yourself by stating that your interpretation of a series of fictional books is the true interpretation of a series of fictional books, I would laugh at you, and ridicule you the same as any other street preacher. Just as I would point out to them that the orthodoxy that they wish for is as foolish as the book they hold dear.
EDITED BY MODERATOR wrote:Finally, thank you ALL for all of your support. I mean that. *hands the torch to Kris* We never believed in the same endpoint, but I think our vision of the forums is similar enough.
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Originally Posted by: tor_Wraith_BRnD Kris, I follow these forums very closely as my alt, and I am surprised at how rude you were to Morganna, That is a damnable lie, and I shall fight you onto the end of the Utherverse! If you were a follower or lurker of these forums you'd never be surprised by the depths of my rudness. As for having impugned my honor I expect a full retraction of all your statements ever made. Originally Posted by: tor_Wraith_BRnD perhaps she has spurned you? To the best of my knowledge no, this is the second interaction we've had. I don't allow simple things such as feelings to get in the way of pointing out foolish idea. Originally Posted by: tor_Wraith_BRnD Morganna simply laid out her version of Gor, by the books. Exactly, she laid out her version, not a true version, not a correct version, not a version that is universally accepted by all within Gor, simply her version, nothing more. My issue is that she she's claiming it to be the correct interpretation. Originally Posted by: tor_Wraith_BRnD I have called Morganna Mistress and I have also called her my equal as a slave, there is no shame in either position. Morganna may not be the end all expert on all things Gorean, but she is well known and accepted in all the RLC Gorean circles. I give little credence to titles, earned or otherwise, I've also found that the subservient tend to be more knowledgeable than their masters. Having said that, I'm willing to for sake of argument just assume she is the reincarnation of Johnny boy, and knows the workings of his mind better than all others in RLC. At what point does she get to make proclamations for the wider global community again? Oh, yeah... NEVER. Originally Posted by: tor_Wraith_BRnD My Home Stone, Black Rose and Dagger, is a bit less strict, while we do try to stay close to the books, we do our best live by the tenets of the books:
1. Be WHAT you are: 2. Be WHO you are 3. Obey the Natural Order of things 4. Advancement of the Strong 5. Diminishment of the Causes of Weakness 6. Do what you will 7. Responsibility for One’s Actions 8. Stratification by the Process of Evolution Very good, now, please explain how it is that you, admitting that your home isn't a true Gor home, have standing to speak? How is it that you feel that white knighting for her is in line with your houses principles? Ignorance and dogmatic rigidity are both weaknesses. She has come with a poorly thought out concept, was told as much, and so you've come to plea for her to not take responsibility for it? Are you sure you're Gor? Originally Posted by: tor_Wraith_BRnD You will not always find me dressed in silks, it seems to offend the ummm 'normal' people of RLC. They do not recognize that my collar is a stronger bond than any wedding ring (and certainly most wedding rings in RLC) and I get tired of explaining to them that although I am owned, I am not interested in seeing how big their dick is. We refer to it as blending in. I can blend in to your society much better than you could ever hope to blend into mine. Bra-fucking-vo! Originally Posted by: tor_Wraith_BRnD I am not sure whether you chose to trash Morganna or our lifestyle but I hope you rethink your position. My position is that her position is that of a simpleton, and I'll be happy to rethink that position as soon as she provides some sort of evidence to the contrary. I also find you to be a white knight and worthy of as little time as possible, but I do feel you're deserving of at least one response. As for the Gor lifestyle, you're actually talking to one of the few proponents you're likely to find in the vanilla world. Originally Posted by: tor_Wraith_BRnD If you would like to discuss Gor civilly, I am available or I am sure Morganna would be a better teacher. We also host what we call Gorean Gatherings weekly, it is a time of fun and fellowship between many of the RLC Gorean groups that seldom associate any other time. Perhaps you would be interested and dropping in and learning the truth?
my name is: tor I belong to: Wraith owner of the Home Stone: Black Rose and Dagger I give little to no fucks about the reviled truths spoken by your priestess, nor do I wish to reread the damn books. I live and let live, and call stupid posts out for being stupid. She made the a very broad and generalized post that is actually a hindrance to those wishing to learn about Gor, so I corrected her. Despite what you may wish, she is not the end all and be all of Gor, either in the real world, or within RLC, and the assumption that there would actually be one is also weakness.
EDITED BY MODERATOR wrote:Finally, thank you ALL for all of your support. I mean that. *hands the torch to Kris* We never believed in the same endpoint, but I think our vision of the forums is similar enough.
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